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Sal's avatar

Excellent, educational summary of the subject.

As far as I understand, America has never been Christian - Protestant at best, Gnostic at worst.

You have explained in basic terms that democracy is not Christian, or not necessarily Christian.

As you alluded to, democracy as practiced nearly everywhere is oligarchy.

Traditional Catholicism believes in hierarchy.

Catholicism also believes that history is cyclical, not 'progressive', that the world is in a state of slow decline (Tolkien?), and that there'll never perpetual progress nor utopia on earth. Including America!

Given all of this, it's difficult to understand how, intellectually, a traditional Catholic can be a neoconservative.

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Mike Hampton's avatar

You make strong counterargument, and, despite me being irreligious, I appreciate reading an original article (after thousands the past 3 years).

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Laura Anne Caponegro's avatar

This is excellent! Thank you!

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Pablo's avatar

Thank you for the in-depth discussion of political events from an angle not frequently seen. There is an additional side to Ukrainian dilemma - the presence of Uniates. The western most parts of Ukraine - the Volyn and Galicia - accepted Union of Brest in 1595. These areas were never part of Russian empire but first Poland, then Austra-Hungarian Empire, and were only annexed by USSR in 1940. Theheartland of Ukrainian nationalism and source of additional division line.

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Mike Moschos's avatar

Very well written. I dont know anything about Weigel specifically, but in regards to the socio-professional space he's a part of, when you wrote "many of those who believe in the American democracy promotion project genuinely mean well", I find this hard to square with *actual* observed outputs of their program, for example, the combination of the ways the de-bathification program "antiterror" laws in Iraq were applied in practice (they basically used them to curate who could be candidates in elections), along with control over the oil funds (which account for most of the Iraq gov's fiscal capability) and centrally directed from the outside economic decision making, made it so Iraq under the occupation (still to this day? I dont have been following for years) was a pseudo-democracy, I just dont see how it can be called a democracy project when candidate choice and broader discourse were so heavily regulated and the legislatures had so little (tiny, really) policy space to operate within. Or take the striking contradictions hovering around them during their times in power, such as how these supposed Catholic fundamentalists spent years (or decades?) greatly empowering NGOs whose purpose was/is to advance transgenderism, abortions, and so on, in countries all around the world

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Mike Lacy's avatar

I was a Roman Catholic for 38yrs, Catholic Schools, Altar boy, lay Apologist in my Catholic Diocese.

I became Orthodox Christian more than 20yrs ago.

The Catholic Church and Catholics have been at war against the Orthodox Church for 1,000yrs.

Not just the Sacking of Constantinople, mind you. No. No. No.

The first Orthodox Christian Martyr is St. Peter the Aleut, tortured to death by Franciscans in Southern California.

The Catholic Ustassi genocided Serbs in WWII.

Catholics are totally ignorant of the crimes done by hierarchy.

Here's a taste of only some of the history American Catholics and Protestsnts are totally ignorant of, American history.

Archbishop Alexei of Alaska (15 minutes). Watch it and ask the real questions.

The real question is: why do you think you're Christian?

https://youtu.be/sBbXr0hWT64?si=QOfOsqH2d0lFj3XU

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